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		<title>Comment on How to Preach Narratives with Variety, Part 3 (Interpreting Narratives) by wide0peninton</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing book thanks Dr White.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing book thanks Dr White&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Preach Narratives with Variety, Part 4 (Interpreting the Narrative) by wide0peninton</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2011/05/14/how-to-preach-narratives-with-variety-part-4-interpreting-the-narrative/#comment-7896</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome Dr. White good job!!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Driscoll&#8217;s Unlimited, Limited Atonement, Part 2 by Abigail Woudenberg</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/02/06/driscolls-unlimited-limited-atonement-part-2/#comment-7895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abigail Woudenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The continuing struggle of mankind to understand the depths of the Atonement that was accomplished with Christ&#039;s sacrificial death on the cross displays more and more the superiority of the Most High. While the human race, as a whole, can never agree on the extent of Christ&#039;s atoning work, the omniscient God determined the breadth of atonement before the beginning of the world. The infinite mind of God is so powerful that it can establish and sustain the boundaries that are unfathomable to the finite minds of men. In His mercy, the Father has revealed to mankind the necessary parts of His plan: that &quot;there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time&quot; (1 Tim. 2:5-6 NASB). With the knowledge of the sacrificial death of the Lord Jesus Christ, believers can truly go into all of the world and preach the gospel, trusting in God to save whom He will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The continuing struggle of mankind to understand the depths of the Atonement that was accomplished with Christ&#8217;s sacrificial death on the cross displays more and more the superiority of the Most High. While the human race, as a whole, can never agree on the extent of Christ&#8217;s atoning work, the omniscient God determined the breadth of atonement before the beginning of the world. The infinite mind of God is so powerful that it can establish and sustain the boundaries that are unfathomable to the finite minds of men. In His mercy, the Father has revealed to mankind the necessary parts of His plan: that &#8220;there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time&#8221; (1 Tim. 2:5-6 NASB). With the knowledge of the sacrificial death of the Lord Jesus Christ, believers can truly go into all of the world and preach the gospel, trusting in God to save whom He will.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Driscoll&#8217;s Unlimited, Limited Atonement, Part 1 by Abigail Woudenberg</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/02/06/driscolls-unlimited-limited-atonement-part-1/#comment-7894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abigail Woudenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was shocked to read that Driscoll, a minister of the gospel, would call his fellow believers such things as ”young, nitpicking, theologically geeky, Calvinist crazy-makers who are like a rock in my shoe.” If an unbeliever were to hear this statement in the sermon, he would not be drawn into the family of God through the love of Christ as displayed by His children. Believers are called to dive into the depths of knowledge as provided by the Scriptures, but not to be so engrossed within a debatable topic as to cause division among themselves. The duty to which believers are held is to &quot;go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit&quot; (Matt. 28:19 NASB). Those whom God chooses to save, who can deny? The argument of the extent of Christ&#039;s Atonement should not go so far as to ruin an opportunity to introduce one to the Lord Jesus Christ by driving him away with malicious words towards a brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked to read that Driscoll, a minister of the gospel, would call his fellow believers such things as ”young, nitpicking, theologically geeky, Calvinist crazy-makers who are like a rock in my shoe.” If an unbeliever were to hear this statement in the sermon, he would not be drawn into the family of God through the love of Christ as displayed by His children. Believers are called to dive into the depths of knowledge as provided by the Scriptures, but not to be so engrossed within a debatable topic as to cause division among themselves. The duty to which believers are held is to &#8220;go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit&#8221; (Matt. 28:19 NASB). Those whom God chooses to save, who can deny? The argument of the extent of Christ&#8217;s Atonement should not go so far as to ruin an opportunity to introduce one to the Lord Jesus Christ by driving him away with malicious words towards a brother.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 2) by Donald Benson</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist-part-2-update/#comment-7890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it intersting that through the ages we are still having the same discussions now that many of our predessors undoubtedly had.  One of the biggest issues I see with the Calvinist view is in thier interpretations.  There can&#039;t simply just be the verse there has to be added material to support it.  The problem is, is God doesn&#039;t need our help in His interpretations.  Simply put we are to do as we are commanded.  Am I to really beleive that if I am looking at a fellow or a lady that they are already condemed even if I fellowship with them and assist in thier own fellowship with Jesus our Savior?  If we are to go out into this world and make disciples is it not very clear what the Lord has commanded us to do?  As already mentioned I find it appauling that some of the worlds most widely known theologians would subscribe to such an idea that is Calvinism.  Yet people do, and I apologize if I am coming off as harsh, but I just do not understand the Calvinistic approach to interpreting the Bible.  When I ask somebody if they know Christ I don&#039;t ask them that because I feel sorry for them or feel like &quot;I can save them&quot;  I ask them that because I am commanded to.  I will not judge, I will only preach the Word of God, and I do not save, the Holy Spirit does.  The Holy Spirit works through me to get to others.  With that in mind I would like to reiterate that nowhere in the Bible does it say you are predestined to go to hell.  If your going to Hell it was your choice not Gods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it intersting that through the ages we are still having the same discussions now that many of our predessors undoubtedly had.  One of the biggest issues I see with the Calvinist view is in thier interpretations.  There can&#8217;t simply just be the verse there has to be added material to support it.  The problem is, is God doesn&#8217;t need our help in His interpretations.  Simply put we are to do as we are commanded.  Am I to really beleive that if I am looking at a fellow or a lady that they are already condemed even if I fellowship with them and assist in thier own fellowship with Jesus our Savior?  If we are to go out into this world and make disciples is it not very clear what the Lord has commanded us to do?  As already mentioned I find it appauling that some of the worlds most widely known theologians would subscribe to such an idea that is Calvinism.  Yet people do, and I apologize if I am coming off as harsh, but I just do not understand the Calvinistic approach to interpreting the Bible.  When I ask somebody if they know Christ I don&#8217;t ask them that because I feel sorry for them or feel like &#8220;I can save them&#8221;  I ask them that because I am commanded to.  I will not judge, I will only preach the Word of God, and I do not save, the Holy Spirit does.  The Holy Spirit works through me to get to others.  With that in mind I would like to reiterate that nowhere in the Bible does it say you are predestined to go to hell.  If your going to Hell it was your choice not Gods.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 2) by Donald Benson</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist-part-2-update/#comment-7889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your stance on this.  There should not be any question in our minds what our role is concerning this, yet we see that very issue arising.  In my mind to do anything different then what you have described here or more specifically what the Bible tells us to do is purly a sin on the part of the person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your stance on this.  There should not be any question in our minds what our role is concerning this, yet we see that very issue arising.  In my mind to do anything different then what you have described here or more specifically what the Bible tells us to do is purly a sin on the part of the person.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 1) by Donald Benson</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist/#comment-7888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure if I am wording this right or not, but the best way I can explain this partuclar article is that when I read the Bible and I read the verses mentioned in this article I do not see how the message can be what is being described in this article.

&quot;1 Peter 2:8 seems to be the verse that would appear to most substantiate double predestination&quot;

The word I think that I next focus on is the word &quot;but&quot; in verse 9 and the verse goes on to tell us &quot;you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation......

So basically reading further down and as others have shown in this forum I think there is nothing that can substantiuate double predestination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if I am wording this right or not, but the best way I can explain this partuclar article is that when I read the Bible and I read the verses mentioned in this article I do not see how the message can be what is being described in this article.</p>
<p>&#8220;1 Peter 2:8 seems to be the verse that would appear to most substantiate double predestination&#8221;</p>
<p>The word I think that I next focus on is the word &#8220;but&#8221; in verse 9 and the verse goes on to tell us &#8220;you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>So basically reading further down and as others have shown in this forum I think there is nothing that can substantiuate double predestination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 1) by Donald Benson</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist/#comment-7886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was reading the article I found myself asking the same questions that you were.  Unlike you I have not read extensively on Calvin, but I know enough to understand the difference in what he was trying to convey.  I find myself disagreeing with the views of his that I have read, and over time I have almost very honestly ignored much of his text.  On your second portion of your post I found it very helpful in my own understanding as well.  I felt the Bible was and is pretty clear on this, and I guess where I have trouble with folks like Calvin is how they interpret the Bible in terms of the actual text.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was reading the article I found myself asking the same questions that you were.  Unlike you I have not read extensively on Calvin, but I know enough to understand the difference in what he was trying to convey.  I find myself disagreeing with the views of his that I have read, and over time I have almost very honestly ignored much of his text.  On your second portion of your post I found it very helpful in my own understanding as well.  I felt the Bible was and is pretty clear on this, and I guess where I have trouble with folks like Calvin is how they interpret the Bible in terms of the actual text.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 2) by Alex Szpilka</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist-part-2-update/#comment-7884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Szpilka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Theresa, very good point. We are all called to preach the gospel to the nations, as stated in Matthew 28:19: ‘’Go, then, to all the peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit’’. Therefore, it would be logical to assume that when Christ was referring to ‘’all peoples everywhere’’, it was truly meant for all humans on the face of the earth, and not just those who might have been pre-destined. If it had been intended otherwise, then Christ would not have said it directly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theresa, very good point. We are all called to preach the gospel to the nations, as stated in Matthew 28:19: ‘’Go, then, to all the peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit’’. Therefore, it would be logical to assume that when Christ was referring to ‘’all peoples everywhere’’, it was truly meant for all humans on the face of the earth, and not just those who might have been pre-destined. If it had been intended otherwise, then Christ would not have said it directly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Am Not a Five or Six or Seven Point Calvinist! (Part 2) by Alex Szpilka</title>
		<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2012/01/30/why-i-am-not-a-five-or-six-or-seven-point-calvinist-part-2-update/#comment-7883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Szpilka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In regards to the opening statement, similar to last weeks description of justification being only a declaration of an internal change, it could be assumed that the practicing of one’s belief constitutes the title of hyper-Calvinist. Therefore, the 5 to 7 points of the belief are only labels under which the personal practice is classified. The philosophy of not offering the gospel freely to all mankind appears to directly contradict Christ’s declaration in Matthew 28:19: ‘’Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit’’, and Paul’s statement in Romans 10:14b-15: ‘’And how can they hear if the message is not proclaimed? And how can the message be proclaimed if the messengers are not sent out[?]’’
  
Interesting also is the view of hyper-Calvinism by Johnson and his list of ‘’Denials’’ which appears to be incorporated into that sect. These denials present an over-sensitivity against countering issues and constitute large differences between the views of Challies and Johnson with Strong’s definition above. These discrepancies in philosophies beg the question of how such views originated from one Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the opening statement, similar to last weeks description of justification being only a declaration of an internal change, it could be assumed that the practicing of one’s belief constitutes the title of hyper-Calvinist. Therefore, the 5 to 7 points of the belief are only labels under which the personal practice is classified. The philosophy of not offering the gospel freely to all mankind appears to directly contradict Christ’s declaration in Matthew 28:19: ‘’Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit’’, and Paul’s statement in Romans 10:14b-15: ‘’And how can they hear if the message is not proclaimed? And how can the message be proclaimed if the messengers are not sent out[?]’’</p>
<p>Interesting also is the view of hyper-Calvinism by Johnson and his list of ‘’Denials’’ which appears to be incorporated into that sect. These denials present an over-sensitivity against countering issues and constitute large differences between the views of Challies and Johnson with Strong’s definition above. These discrepancies in philosophies beg the question of how such views originated from one Bible.</p>
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